So Madalo and then Xanthe, can you elaborate on that?

Madalo 和 Xanthe，您能详细说明一下吗？

Xanthe and Madalo, thank you so much for sharing your experiences and perspectives with us today.

Xanthe 和 Madalo，非常感谢你们今天与我们分享你们的经验和观点。

Xanthe, meanwhile, is now CEO and co-founder of The Fuller Project, a global newsroom dedicated to reporting about women.

与此同时，Xanthe 现任 The Fuller Project 的首席执行官兼联合创始人，该项目是一家致力于报道女性的全球新闻编辑室。

So, Xanthe, we'll start off with you.

那么，Xanthe，我们就从你开始吧。

And one thing I've heard both of you say is that it was important for Xanthe to leave the organization she founded.

我听你们俩说过一件事，那就是 Xanthe 离开她创立的组织非常重要。

Those bookended stories, and all that transpired in between, is what we're going to talk about today with Xanthe and Madalo Samati, who's joining us from Malawi.

这些成书的故事，以及其间发生的所有事情，就是我们今天要与 Xanthe 和从马拉维加入我们的 Madalo Samati 谈论的内容。

Looking at everything that's happened in the past couple of decades, that's what brought you back to Malawi, Xanthe, and prompted you to reach out to the Monitor about doing a story.

回顾过去几十年发生的一切，这就是让你回到马拉维的原因，Xanthe，并促使你联系《监视器》来做一个故事。

For Xanthe, coming back to this story two decades later is about " honoring the reader." This is " Why We Wrote This." I'm this week's guest host, Amelia Newcomb.

对于 Xanthe 来说，二十年后回到这个故事是为了“尊重读者”。这就是“我们为什么写这个”。我是本周的客座主持人，阿米莉亚·纽科姆。

And I wonder how you've thought about this over the years, Xanthe, in terms of knowing what you don't know, and how that guides both good journalism and effective NGO work.

我想知道这些年来你是如何思考这个问题的，Xanthe，在了解你不知道的方面，以及这如何指导良好的新闻报道和有效的非政府组织工作。

He said: " Xanthe, you can continue to be a Monitor reporter, or you can launch AGE Africa, but you can't do both." So I chose AGE and built the organization for 10 years.

他说：“Xanthe，你可以继续担任《监察报》记者，也可以创办 AGE Africa，但你不能两者兼得。”所以我选择了 AGE，并用了 10 年的时间建立了这个组织。