So it's not just unpublishing, it's also changing the way people are—what  they're publishing in the first place.

索伦：所以这不仅仅是取消出版，它还改变了人们的方式——首先是他们出版的内容。

And so there was like this picking up of steam,   and then I guess the Boston Globe said that they would start considering unpublishing.

所以事情就这样开始了，然后我猜《波士顿环球报》说他们将开始考虑取消出版。

So I—so Chris and his team in 2020 applied for funding from the Google News  Initiative to try to take on unpublishing with some sort of programming.

所以我——所以克里斯和他的团队在 2020 年向 Google 新闻计划申请了资金，试图通过某种编程来取消发布。

Is there a way to just  surface things we are interested in unpublishing, and then just automatically do it so no one has  to request that we do it?

有没有一种方法可以只显示我们有兴趣取消发布的内容，然后自动执行，这样就没有人要求我们这样做？

And so what Chris said,   and then I talked to Deborah Dwyer again, what she was saying is that—you sort of the last  four years, what you've seen is this idea of unpublishing become more pervasive throughout news  organizations.

克里斯说的是，然后我再次与黛博拉·德怀尔交谈，她所说的是——在过去的四年里，你看到的是这种取消出版的想法在整个新闻机构中变得更加普遍。