So this becomes the start of jury nullification.

所以这成为陪审团无效的开始。

Don't tell me you want me to go with jury nullification.

别跟我说你想让陪审团裁定法律无效。

So a pure aspect of jury nullification would be, let's say I am the defendant.

因此，陪审团无效的一个纯粹方面是，假设我是被告。

So jury nullification is a very big tent.

特蕾西：所以陪审团无效是一个非常大的帐篷。

And today we are talking about jury nullification.

今天我们谈论的是陪审团无效化。

] SOREN: And according to Jeffrey, these two cases together, they sparked a national conversation about jury nullification.

] 索伦：根据杰弗里的说法，这两起案件一起引发了一场关于陪审团无效的全国性讨论。

I am with—an activist for jury nullification.

我和一位主张废除陪审团的活动家在一起。

That's jury nullification, too JAD: That's absolutely jury nullification, and that's like—that is—that is the history of post-Reconstruction South, you know?

罗伯特：这也是陪审团无效化。 JAD：这绝对是陪审团无效化，这就像——那就是——这就是重建后南方的历史，你知道吗？

So we're talking about jury nullification.

所以我们正在谈论陪审团无效。

Eventually, the internet comes along and attention to jury nullification just kind of goes poof!

最终，互联网出现了，对陪审团无效的关注就消失了！

ELIE MYSTAL: So I was thinking that I would start with a little bit of just, you know, kind of what jury nullification is.

埃利·米斯塔尔：所以我想我应该从一点点开始，你知道，陪审团无效是什么。

There is a place, I think, for jury nullification, finding the balance of that and the role that a judge should or should not play.

我认为，陪审团无效是有道理的，可以找到陪审团无效与法官应该或不应该扮演的角色之间的平衡。

Which, just to get back to Laura for a second, is why the court never actually charged her for jury nullification.

特蕾西：这就是为什么法院从未真正指控她陪审团无效的原因。

And they started this group that was basically advocating for jury nullification, writing up pamphlets, you know, sending out things.

他们成立了这个小组，基本上是主张废除陪审团，写小册子，你知道，分发东西。

Did—when you were sitting there in that interview, did that change in any way your feelings one way or the other about jury nullification?

当你坐在那次采访中时，这是否以某种方式改变了你对陪审团无效的感受？

[laughs] SOREN: Anyway, when we were talking to Elie, the first thing that we asked him was, you know, like, just give us a pure, uncut version of jury nullification.

JAD：[笑] SOREN：无论如何，当我们与 Elie 交谈时，我们问他的第一件事就是，你知道，就像给我们一个纯粹的、未删减的陪审团无效版本。

If you look at it only from the perspective of the defendant, then jury nullification seems like a great way to protest the system, right?

如果仅从被告的角度来看，那么取消陪审团似乎是抗议该制度的好方法，对吗？

Now it—they didn't—it wasn't exactly that jury nullification became illegal, and more like just the court kind of pushed it down, made it a sort of unspoken thing.

索伦：现在——他们没有——陪审团无效并不完全是非法的，而更像是法院将其压低，使其成为一种不言而喻的事情。

He became a kind of a jury nullification activist hero of sorts when he was arrested in 2010 at the federal district court here in Manhattan.

2010 年，当他在曼哈顿联邦地区法院被捕时，他成为了某种程度上的陪审团无效活动英雄。

That's how the—that's actually the most important jury nullification case that this country probably ever had is they just let the slaves— they just sent them up to Canada.

这就是——这实际上是这个国家可能曾经遇到过的最重要的陪审团无效案件，他们只是让奴隶——他们只是把他们送到加拿大。