Salesforce, which is also under pressure from investors to improve its stock performance, appointed three independent directors.

Salesforce也面临着投资者要求其改善股票表现的压力，该公司任命了三名独立董事。

And the governance of the board is definitely with the independent directors.

董事会的治理肯定是由独立董事负责。

Obviously, the next C.E.O. of Microsoft is going to be appointed by the lead independent directors of Microsoft, and not by me.

显然，下一任首席执行官。微软的首席独立董事将由微软的首席独立董事任命，而不是由我任命。

The reality is we have a lead independent director, a fantastic lead independent director in Sandi Peterson — I mean, she has the ultimate responsibility of hiring and firing me.

现实情况是，我们有一位首席独立董事，一位出色的首席独立董事桑迪·彼得森——我的意思是，她对雇用和解雇我负有最终责任。

Separating the roles of chief executive and chairman of the board can help, too (appointing a lead independent director is seldom sufficient to keep in check an almighty boss with both jobs, let alone sack one).

将首席执行官和董事会主席的角色分开也会有所帮助（任命一位首席独立董事很少足以限制兼任这两项职务的全能老板，更不用说解雇其中一位了）。